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Dating birth of Ram

Shri Ram Chandra!श्री राम जन्म के बारे में कुछ आश्चर्यजनक तथ्यों का दावा किया गया हैं
Navbharat Times reports "ईसा पूर्व 10 जनवरी 5114 को हुआ था श्री राम का जन्म?"
According to the news, Saroj Bala, who also happens to be the Income Tax Commissioner, Shri Ram was born on January 10, 5114 BC. Basing her calculation using Planetarium software, which is used for predicting planetary positions, she has been able to match the planets positions mentioned in the Ramayana for various events like Shri Ram's birth and when he returned to Ayodhya with actual dates.
Its just not limited to predicting the actual date of birth, but the same can be applied to calculate dates for every major event. Pushkar Bhatnagar, who is also working on the same theory, has also been able to prove occurrence of total solar eclipse during the war between Shri Ram and Khar-Doosharn as mentioned in the Maharshri Valmiki's Ramayana.

But this is just a theory and gives a good opportunity to unravel the mysterious puzzle of India's Historical past... from the Indus civilization to the Vedas to the Ramayana and the Mahabharata, putting each peice of past in its right order.

- Amit Agarwal posted on November 10, 2003 12:26 AM IST
Who said what?

got this in a fwd from somewhere..

By Twilight Fairy from 202.134.200.4 on November 19, 2003 01:36 PM IST

got this in a fwd from somewhere..

By Twilight Fairy from 202.134.200.4 on November 19, 2003 01:36 PM IST

NASA Images Discover Ancient Bridge between India and Sri Lanka

Space images taken by NASA reveal a mysterious ancient bridge in the Palk Strait between India and Sri Lanka. The recently discovered bridge currently named as Adam's Bridge is made of chain of shoals, c.18 mi (30 km) long.


The bridge's unique curvature and composition by age reveals that it is man made. The legends as well as Archeological studies reveal that the first signs of human inhabitants in Sri Lanka date back to the a primitive age, about 1,750,000 years ago and the bridge4s age is also almost equivalent.
This information is a crucial aspect for an insight into the mysterious legend called Ramayana, which was supposed to have taken place in treta yuga (more than 1,700,000 years ago).
In this epic, there is a mentioning about a bridge, which was built between Rameshwaram (India) and Srilankan coast under the supervision of a dynamic and invincible figure called Rama who is supposed to be the incarnation of the supreme.
This information may not be of much importance to the archeologists who are interested in exploring the origins of man, but it is sure to open the spiritual gates of the people of the world to have come to know an ancient history linked to the Indian mythology.
More Images:
http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/iams/images/earth/STS033/lowres/20003372.jpg
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By ASHOK KUMAR TIWARI from 61.1.11.173 on February 26, 2004 11:56 PM IST

The Problem of Mapping and Dating Ramayana
On seeing the names like this Yavana, Shaka etc. some hold the view that Ramayana was written more later to Greek's invasion on India. Max Muller in his 'What Can India Teach Us?' says: 'If I call the invasion which is generally called the invasion of the Shakas, or the Scythians, or the Indo-Scythians, or Turushkas, the Turanian invasion... who took possession of India, from about first century BC to the third century BC...' and again classifying Sanskrit literature he says 'we divide the whole of the Sanskrit literature into there two periods, one anterior to the great Turanian invasion, the other posterior to it, we may call the former period as ancient and natural, that of the later modern and artificial...' thus Ramayana belonged to the modern and artificial literary period and Veda-s to ancient, according to him. According to Indians the Turushkas are not the Scythians but Turkish and the Yavanas, the clearly the Greek. Michelson in his 'Linguistic Archaisms of the Ramayana...'adds another phase called Epical period. Thus, there are three, Vedic, Epical, and the rest of it is modern and artificial, At the same time Max Muller says: 'That at the time of Solomon, there was a channel of communication open between India and Syria and Palestine is established beyond doubt, I believe, by certain Sanskrit words which occur in the Bible such as ivory, apes, peacock, and sandalwood, which, taken together, could not have been exported from any country but India...' So Solomon, Bible, Turanian invasion, Ramayana... all occasioned at one time, i.e., around 0 BC. So many professors so many researchers have not said a date agreeable to Indians as well as to the world.
At one place, it is said that there was a rapport among these places India-Syria-Palestine and even up to Egypt, but at other place, the Indian thought, that the Indian had Greeks and Greeks had Indians, is dismissed. What prevents to agree that both hold up mirror to almost the same culture, though diverse in its practise, right from the belief of Greeks, viz., 'the sense of many gods are there near at hand' to various gods, to their names, to the epical literature, and also to myths and legends and dramas etc, is unknown. But when it comes to dating and mapping 'the earliest date known for certain in Indian history is the invasion of Alexander in 326 BC...' and 'The chronology has been built up form the identification of Sandracrottus of Greek writers with Chandragupta Maurya... yet it is said 'In the seventh century BC India was divided into sixteen Mahajanapada-s...' as per "An Historical Atlas of Indian Peninsula", Oxford. Peculiarly those sixteen Janapada-s did not contain the names of Yavana, Shaka provinces in atlases.
'The Greeks, evidently descended from tribes who had come westwards from the early home of Indo-Europeans in South-Central-Asia, first settled in the land which we know as Greece about 2000 B.C....' according to The Encyclopaedia of Myths and Legends of All Nations, Kaye & Ward Ltd., London. Their history about Ion, the king of Helice, and his war with Elsenians, the confederacy of Lonia in Asia Minor etc., speaks about their origin and shuffling, i.e., from east to west and again from west to east. It is they who have adopted Vedic Rain-god Mitra as their Mithras and many a temple was built all over Europe. Even Goddess Lakshmi has Her counterpart in Greece 'Pallas Athene' known as early as 2 B.C., and the comedies of Strattis, like Fragmenta Comic of Greece has Indian fables as early as 400 B.C. Hence, if these Theories of Borrowing are negated with the Theories of Commonality, it would suffice to say that Ramayana is antecedent to the settlement of Greeks in Greece itself.
Without lingering on these carbon-testing on the verses of Ramayana that contain Yavana and Shaka named provinces, if the astronomical data available in Ramayana itself is believed, it throws some light on dating. If anybody would care to see the book Vastav Ramayan, by Dr.P.V.Vartak, in Marathi, Vedvidnyana Mandal, Pune, and a web site is available about this, Astronomical Dating of the Ramayana where another approach can be seen, which just does not revolve around one or two names of places. It is said there; 'Therefore, Ramayana 'must have' occurred 9600 years ago, which is 7600 B.C approximately...' which again is disputable because this is goining against the Yuga and Kalpa Theory of Puraana-s, as Ramayana is said to be the legend of Treta Yuga.
The provinces Shuurasena, Bharata, Kuru are the downlands of Himalayas. The Kaambhoja is the province northwest to India, where the Russia touches India, as mapped by 'An Historical Atlas of the Indian Peninsula' of Oxford University. Then the Yavana and Shaka should be around there, prior to their migration to the presently known Greece, because Greeks originated from so called 'South-Central-Asia' as called by the historians, and perhaps the historians might be hesitating to call it as 'Himalayan region of India'. They were originally called Ionians, a corrupt or generic name from Indian naming of Yavana or Javana. The word Æoni can be cleaved as a+yoni; [ayogya+] yonim+gata 'unbefitting, uterus, obtained birth...' 'one who is born to an unbefitting mother... say, a bastard...' That is what Œdepus Rex proved later. The ethics of these Yavana and Shaka cultures are clearly explained in Karna-Shalya samvaada 'the debate of Karna and Shalya...' in Karna parva, Maha Bharata.
The Shakas are again the nomadic tribes inhibiting Central Asia, and they are the Scythes of Greeks and the Indo-Scythians of Ptolemy, inhibited in the Hindu Kush Range of Himalayas. Both of these are categorised under Mleccha people by Ramayana because their ethics do not conform to the Vedic stipulations of living, even though they lived together.
'The Varadas - The Bengali recension has Daradas instead. They are said to be Dards whose name is still retained in modern Durdstan along the course of the Indus, above the Himalayas, just before it descends to India...' Griffith, Ancient Geography.
It may be noticed that Ramayana did not refute any other religion, or sects, or the divergent philosophies of Hinduism itself, but it agreed that Mleccha-s are there and there is no bother from them. Ramayana's gods are purely Vedic, unlike the later time, rather modern or artificial literary period's poetry of Kalidasa et al, and their puranic deities like Kali, Uma, and Kumara etc. The literary style of Ramayana is mostly un-Paninian. It has the episodes like Rama-Jaabaali samvaada, where Sage Jaabaali is a nihilist. When this epic could accommodate information about nihilists' preaching nihilism to Rama, it can as well afford a few lines of information about other philosophies, religions, if they were to be there. But then the present day's Unity in Diversity is not apparent and thus it can be assigned to a post-Vedic period, where Veda-s themselves are not written by some good old sages with white beards, sitting under banyan trees, at any one particular time.
Because the ancient history of Greeks came to light firstly, thereby India history is chronicled, and the epic Ramayana is known subsequently, relegating the history of Ramayana later to the Greek's invasion on India, may not be appropriate. History has its own black-ages

By ashok tiwari from 61.1.11.176 on February 27, 2004 12:20 AM IST

valmiki ramayan tells about PRIMELEPHAS (4 TEETH elephants found in Lanka)
http://www.elephant.se/primelephas.php?open=Extinct%20Proboscidea

these elephants existed 5 million years ago.

By ashok tiwari from 61.1.11.176 on February 27, 2004 12:29 AM IST

:-)
Dear Rama Bhaktas,
Shri Rama Navami Celebration on this planet earth has been happening for many many many years across different continents.
in India every where by everyone >>
in South American civilisation like by elder decendands of INCAS or Azthec's in Peru, Argentina, Mexico etc >>
in Central pacific islands in Ester Islands & Fuji, Native Aussi by native people of those islands etc..
in south central africa by ancient african tribes till present day.

We are fortunate to have Sage Shri Valmiki writting the Shrimad Ramayanam epic in THRIUVANMAYUR in Chennai 600041 and We still recite and cherish in Shri Rama Lila.

The Shri Rama Navami Celebration we are going to do on 29 March 2004 will be 880105 th Lord Rama's Birthday.

This calculation is done in this way
1) Lord Rama's life time in Treta Yuga(1,296,000 yrs) is 11,000 years.
2) Dwapara Yuga contains 864,000 years
3) Presently we are in 5105 year of Kali yuga(432,000 years)

Thus Adding 1 + 2 + 3 gives Shri Rama 880105th Brithday.
Advanced Happy Birthday Shri Rama :-)


!!Sri Rama Jaya Rama Jaya Jaya Rama!!
Ghanesh.PV


By GHanesh. PV from 61.95.204.131 on March 20, 2004 10:05 PM IST

It is scientifically not possible and spiritually useless to try to detect years of birth as He-Ram, the Almighty, is eternal. Everybody should follow what has been written by Tulsi Dasji,

By A Gumashta from 61.2.99.106 on August 18, 2004 12:08 AM IST
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